anyone who works at scopesandammo.com post here

[Poor-man Plinker]

OK Hammer, Perhaps we have personality disorders... I have always wondered why "they" did not give me disability benefits to compensate for my malidy.

[SeanMP]

Agreed. The internet is a tricky place. A person needs to have their BS filter turned up to max. But airguns are like anything else that is researched, the science evolves ahead of common opinion.

I have formed an opinion over the years that in this field there is really only a handful of people that are reducing everything to pure science and testing based on standard methodology. It's pretty easy to figure out who this group is if you hang about for a bit. When someone in this group gives advice you can bet your bootstraps there are several spreadsheets to back it up Also this group is notable because they don't make a lot of brash statements.....Herein lies a piece of wisdom

[Hammer Sandwich]

I just call a "burn" when I see one.........I've never been all that impressed with people who come into someone else's house, and complain about the color of the drapes.

(Just my 2 cents)

[pharoah007]

wow, this was quite the read upon returning from camping for the past few days.

[Poor-man Plinker]

You will get no grief from me about Pharaoh being a disagreeable cus. I think, maybe he was having a bad day and mistakenly used the forum to vent his frustration. We all have our moments. I do not have to like the guy to tolerate his frailties.
However, we (maybe not you guys, but, I) can thank him for starting the safe-lube thread that is producing some interesting discussion. Again, perhaps this is all old news to you and in my 2 years of research (I have over compiled and rewritten 400 pages of typed info on airguns) these are new thoughts to me.
So thumbs down for whining; But, thumbs up for asking the stupid/unresearched oiling question.
He too might be new to forums and not understand their use and protocol... How do we encourage asking good questions of the new and impatient youth who just bought their first $60 ait gun????????

[Hammer Sandwich]

... How do we encourage asking good questions of the new and impatient youth who just bought their first $60 ait gun????????

Maybe....don't step on your dick, and complain if the answers supplied don't suit you?


I'm still a noob to the game, and I've gotten a lot of paitence, and good advice from this forum and the other one.

That being said, anything I can't find on the forum(s) is most likely floatin' around these intardwebs somewhere....but if it's not, I'll start a thread.
It does take a little bit of research and reading though, and a lot of folks don't seem to understand that anymore.

[Poor-man Plinker]

I'm still a noob to the game, and I've gotten a lot of paitence, and good advice from this forum and the other one.

Personally, I aint the sharpest tool in the shed. However, I somehow do not mind helping the cognitively challanged. Probably because I are one. Why else would I have spent 15 years teaching in Special Education??? There is a new breed of gun users who want everything instantly and without effort. You may never see them as producing the types of threads the Bob and Sean are, but, I still see them as valuable.

So I invite you, Hammer, and anyone else who is following this pissy thread to sent those stepping on their big dicks to PM me and I will be happy to help them out as best I can. Save you the frustration, and maybe lower the blood pressure of many "members." I generally check in and read old threads between 4:00 and 7:00 AM forum time.

As for you Pharaoh007 I will send you a PM and hopefully we have not lost you as a "junior" and you know how forums function, I am still trying to figure it out................................

[Hammer Sandwich]

Personally, I aint the sharpest tool in the shed. However, I somehow do not mind helping the cognitively challanged. Probably because I are one.......

lol

......There is a new breed of gun users who want everything instantly and without effort. You may never see them as producing the types of threads the Bob and Sean are, but, I still see them as valuable......

Definitely agree.

[AirGunEric]

I think the one thing that perhaps I haven't stated, and that should be mentioned is the idea of people asking about pieces/parts that can potentially turn a "non-firearm" into a "firearm".

If someone who is obviously new to airguns/guns is asking questions about pieces/parts that will allow for such a thing- any seller of products gets put into an interesting legal position. It is not a vendor's job to tell people how to construct firearms out of non-firearms. When people who are apparenly not completely "new" to airguns pr firearms laws ask such questions, they are advised that making use of the parts they are inquiring about may make them a "firearm" and they are reminded appropriately of their legal requirements/obligations if they use such parts in specific manner.

When someone who is not, at least in as far as can be assessed at first glance, familiar with airguns or gun law- 'educating' them is beyond a vendor's scope, generally speaking. This is where the internet and online forums become useful to people- researching a topic, learning the laws and then asking questions. If I respond to a question with "cut the hammerspring down 6 coils to stay below 500fps and not create a firearm" and am then confronted with the question of "what has been done to this part to produce more power, and how much more power" thereby indicating the inference of "this will create a firearm if you do not cut the hammer spring" has been completely missed or overlooked intentionally is not a good sign- and you have pretty much guaranteed yourself to not getting a response beyond that.

If anything, any seller is more inclined to take a position of either advising to not do anything to modify a product, or discouraging the purchase of parts to someone making it obvious as to their intent of creating 'firearms' where one did not exist previously if they have not established they understand the legal ramifications of such an activity and/or have the appropriate license/permit to do so. No one is going to risk their business by doing something outright and plainly obvious in respect to directly advising someone how to make a product they seem to be, at least on the surface, not legally able to own. It is this initial judgment of a person based on their request(s) that dictates further communications. If someone makes it obvious as to their intent and has not provided any qualification as to their legal status in doing such a thing- the request/question gets trashbinned, plain and simple.

Call it whatever you like, but in my view a vendor advising a person on a product where they have not established this person has any knowledge of the items, or any legal knowledge of things regarding changes of classification in respect to "firearm" vs. "non-firearm" is bad news. Ignoring or otherwise avoiding answering such questions from such people is really the safest way to avoid potential legal issues in the future.