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    anyone who works at scopesandammo.com post here

    looking for information on products.


    Email was a fail
    Phone call was a fail
    Last resort before it becomes too much hassle to order form them.

    Thanks all

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    Your questions about the FTP kit should be essentially satisfied with the answers in the question you posted on the forum here. Beyond that, the maximum power that can be obtained from any product using the FTP is what the "American" version of said product would obtain- the point of the FTP, as outlined, is not a "maximum power" situation but a "save pumps" situation.

    Also, your email came in two days ago, your telephone call about 2 hours ago, served on top of the answers provided here in the last couple of days and I think the assertion of "fail" might be a tad off the mark.

    One thing people need to understand in general is that I will not get into a five email back-forth with paragraphs of information and hours of effort for information that can be obtained in the online forums rather easily- with a more rounded opinion from numerous people- not just my opinion, which is by default always going to be questioned as a result of selling the product.

    How does this relate? When I say "you will get, maximum, the same amount of power the US version of the product outputs" the next question is "why isn't the valve modified for flow and so on" and then the response would be "because unless using a .22 caliber 24" barrel and adding other parts, valve flow improvements will gain you nothing..." which then begs the question "what do you mean/why is this" and so on ad infinitum- all of which can be found in the forums. An encyclopedia of knowledge is available in the airgun forums- and we are not in a position of re-writing the encyclopedia for every email request. Sometimes people either need to go looking, or take a bit of a leap of faith and do their own experimenting.
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    Some people like to rag on others because they are too lazy to look it up themselves. A little bit of looking around this forum and he will find out how helpful you are. I don't think there is anyone on this fourm you have not helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirGunEric View Post
    Your questions about the FTP kit should be essentially satisfied with the answers in the question you posted on the forum here. Beyond that, the maximum power that can be obtained from any product using the FTP is what the "American" version of said product would obtain- the point of the FTP, as outlined, is not a "maximum power" situation but a "save pumps" situation.

    Also, your email came in two days ago, your telephone call about 2 hours ago, served on top of the answers provided here in the last couple of days and I think the assertion of "fail" might be a tad off the mark.

    One thing people need to understand in general is that I will not get into a five email back-forth with paragraphs of information and hours of effort for information that can be obtained in the online forums rather easily- with a more rounded opinion from numerous people- not just my opinion, which is by default always going to be questioned as a result of selling the product.

    How does this relate? When I say "you will get, maximum, the same amount of power the US version of the product outputs" the next question is "why isn't the valve modified for flow and so on" and then the response would be "because unless using a .22 caliber 24" barrel and adding other parts, valve flow improvements will gain you nothing..." which then begs the question "what do you mean/why is this" and so on ad infinitum- all of which can be found in the forums. An encyclopedia of knowledge is available in the airgun forums- and we are not in a position of re-writing the encyclopedia for every email request. Sometimes people either need to go looking, or take a bit of a leap of faith and do their own experimenting.
    So what you're trying to say is that you don't actually have time to answer each and every questions we have about each and every airgun and the tuning of said each and every airgun available in past or present? Come on!?!?! That's only a few thousand airguns! You gotta know them by heart don't you? Geez...

    I was kidding of course! I always have found very helpfull and generous with your time and you went out of your way for me and I will forever be grateful for it. I'm sure I'm not alone here who has received outstanding service from you.

    Searching a topic for yourself before sending emails and calling people seems to be a minimum and shows that you are really interested in the product and it will help you (when you've reached that step) ask the good questions to the good people without wasting anyones time.

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    I couldn't agree more with Poor Man

    Officially, at least in my mind, there are no dumb questions. Every question is legitimate and often the simplest ones will spark an incredible debate among the more experienced and some great kernel of wisdom will reveal itself.
    Yes the OP was simply bad form, plain and simple, but that should be viewed separately from any question that was asked. Agreed that simple research could prevent a lot of repetitiveness but lets be honest most people just are not built that way.
    Very few people fully understand what a busy guy our host is. This isn't the only forum he hosts, S&A isn't the only store he runs and none of them are his primary job. On top of that I think he spends 50% of his free time chasing around a machinist who also mildly over worked and a bit of a prima donna

    So my advice is ask your questions here. Here you have the advantage of a collective knowledge and some of the individuals in the collective have enough personal knowledge to make the Cardew Bros. look like amateurs. Then be satisfied with the answers you get or devote a substantial part of your life to doing your own experiments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirGunEric View Post
    Also, your email came in two days ago, your telephone call about 2 hours ago, served on top of the answers provided here in the last couple of days and I think the assertion of "fail" might be a tad off the mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanMP View Post
    ...Agreed that simple research could prevent a lot of repetitiveness but lets be honest most people just are not built that way.
    Very few people fully understand what a busy guy our host is...Then be satisfied with the answers you get or devote a substantial part of your life to doing your own experiments.
    Please allow me to continue to play the fool. I have years of practice and am pretty good at it. And, here is my challange. (As if I have only one?)
    Simple research, of which I have done a fair bit, often generates opinion disguised as fact. I do not mean stated conclusions based on research, but, just repetition of opinions that have become internet legends. Heck even the Cardew family contradict themselves in ..."from Trigger to Target." What answers can a person be satisfied with? What no-name is going to be taken seriously when the experts have had their theories spread far and wide? Are we all doomed to having to reinvent the wheel?

    No one expects the host to be the know-all and end-all. That is why forum exists? Right? I know this is rehetorical and there is no simple answer. I also know that it is human nature to think that everyone else should know what we know and think like we think, OR, there is something wrong with them. So, again, I plead with you pundits to understand that you are unique in your knowledge base and your approach to airguns. The rest of us are just babbling morons looking to have some fun with our new toys and want to tinker a bit with less than adequate skills.

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    everybody has been very helpful here and at the store. However, it is news to me that valve changes make little difference except in .22 with a barrel over 24 in. I quess I do not mean to be lazy. I am still working my way through all the posts on this site since I joined. I find a lot of information on the internet that is later disputed.... So?

    I have been collecting and then attempting to authenticate data from the internet and other sources for 2 years. I imagine poor Pharoah has just started his research. Perhaps when we have as many years and practical experiences as you guys we can help others. For now we can barely wipe our own a holes, never mind lube a pistol.

    Please forgive us our tresspasses, Well forgive me anyway, even if Pharoah has a off-beat sense of humor. So do I, I am afraid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor-man Plinker View Post
    everybody has been very helpful here and at the store. However, it is news to me that valve changes make little difference except in .22 with a barrel over 24 in. I quess I do not mean to be lazy. I am still working my way through all the posts on this site since I joined. I find a lot of information on the internet that is later disputed.... So?

    I have been collecting and then attempting to authenticate data from the internet and other sources for 2 years. I imagine poor Pharoah has just started his research. Perhaps when we have as many years and practical experiences as you guys we can help others. For now we can barely wipe our own a holes, never mind lube a pistol.

    Please forgive us our tresspasses, Well forgive me anyway, even if Pharoah has a off-beat sense of humor. So do I, I am afraid
    The thing is you DO your research and ask for clarification once you have an idea of what you're talking about.

    It's like asking how to tune a '69 Chevelle without knowing what a carburator is or does. When you tell me I need to change the jetting I'll be puzzled and will only have more questions.

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    A good bit of wisdom there Sean. I imagine both Pharoah and I would both be served to heed that as advice even. Well... I guess you just never realize how big the feet of your dance partners are until you step on their toes. Thanks for being as wise as you are intellegent.

    As for scientific methodology; I just cannot bring myself to spend the funds or find the access to quality products to shoot the hundreds and hundreds of rounds necessary to get a statistically signigicant "N." However, I am a number cruncher like yourself and would only publish comments or results having some supporting test data and/or quotes from previous literature to support why I would say what I say. I just dont have a machine shop either so I am kind of a hick in my mods. But, If my mods are bad I will be the first to post it.

    I am hoping to find everyday solutions for guys like Pharoah and myself who have a new toy and a few tools and desire to make improvements for not a lot of money. Not everyone wants to turn their $60 gun into a $260 gun when with some elbow grease and a few simple tools they can get close to the same results.

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