Why thank ya fella's

I wasn't looking for kudo's on this one. I wanted to get some complete information published. When I went looking there was more fiction and bad information than fact. There is even a youtube video of sticking two screwdrivers down the hole and using a third as a prybar to turn the nut....In another your instructed to pound a piece of 1/8" pipe square then drill a hole in it??? After bending a 1/4" punch my feeling is that's just plain bad advice.