Safe oil for lube.

[pharoah007]

I have 2 lubricants in my garage and I am wondering if either are ok to lube my M4-117 with?

I have WD40 and CLP

I use CLP on real rifles, however the Crossman site said no petroleum based lubricants and I do not know if either of these lubes are petroleum based.

Thanks all.

[Poor-man Plinker]

There are some guys here who really know there stuff and they will get to you soon.... However, Do not use either until someone gives you the Oki Doki. I really chickened out and only use the Crosman brand Pelgun oil and Silicone Chamber lube. There is something about the seals going bad under the solvent nature of petroleum based products.
On a side note, and there are those that know more than I do, I am pretty sure that WD40 is a Water Displacer more than a lubricant... Or, that is what I heard it was preliminarily designed for... Maybe...

[SeanMP]

Hi Pharoah

I would not use either but not for any reason you may guess.

Firstly WD40 is not a lubricant in the normal sense. It has minor lubricating properties but it is meant as a water displacement ie WD. Beyond that it is almost pure solvent carrier. Really not what your after.

CLP Cleaner Lubricant Protectant is teflon and a nitro solvent in a carrier...again not what your really looking for.

Pure silicone lubricant sold as chamber lube or silicone oil is always the safest bet. Or Synthetic #1 sewing machine oil. Neither of these will gum or more importantly combust in an HPA....and a pumper is an HPA and trust me I can make the wrong lubricant detonate in a pumper. Especially sprays that use butane or propane as the propellant....it's rather exciting having the pump fly out of your hand with a jolt.

[rsterne]

^X2, sprays are a bad idea unless you wait for the carrier to flash off.... Sorry, Eric, not trying to get all paranoid on ya!....

Bob

[cdnairgunner]

Sean pretty much said it all, though to add a bit of info I personally like to use ATF in all my guns. Silicone is just as good or even better, but I find ATF to be the most cost effective solution.

[pharoah007]

thanks guys.

I do have spray silicone lube.

Could I coat a q tip in this silicone and use safely until I get some of the correct lube?

[AirGunEric]

This is not a PCP or springer- so you could use a plain 3-in-1 oil- "petroleum base" means nothing in respect to Co2 and Pumpers- this is just people repeating old junk they "heard" and have only repeated. Manufacturers oils- i.e. Pellgunoil and such is petroleum based. Silicone you can use, but it is really only required on/in a PCP or springer. Keep in mind that on mechanical joints- i.e. the pivot on a break-barrel, you would use a regular oil as well- not silicone. Silicone or a petroleum lube would be fine on you M4-177 pumper.

[Poor-man Plinker]

Hmmmm, ATF? Has about the same colour and consistency as Pell gun oil? I wonder if there is a causal relationship here? Ha ha ha

[cdnairgunner]

I actually thought so at first too, but they are totally different. Pellgunoil (these days anyways) is basically motor oil, there is an MSDS out there on it that me and Doc looked up a while ago. ATF is slightly different and a whole lot cheaper and easier to come by. I find that seals last longer when using ATF, but that is just my finding. I have pulled too many crumbling seals out of guns that have used straight Pellgunoil to keep on using it.

[Jeremy]

I actually thought so at first too, but they are totally different. Pellgunoil (these days anyways) is basically motor oil, there is an MSDS out there on it that me and Doc looked up a while ago. ATF is slightly different and a whole lot cheaper and easier to come by. I find that seals last longer when using ATF, but that is just my finding. I have pulled too many crumbling seals out of guns that have used straight Pellgunoil to keep on using it.

I use pellgunoil on my pumpmaster, I dont have to worry about seals crumbling do I?