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    Some Thoughts on Airgun Killing Power

    I've been playing with some numbers this afternoon, and I'll throw this idea out there just for discussion.... It is similar to the long standing idea of having a minimum of 1 FPE of energy per pound of body weight of the target.... I am a firm believer in the relationship between momentum and killing power.... While things like the Meplat diameter affect the diameter of the wound channel, and the sectional density (or the sectional density but using the meplat diameter instead of the caliber) affects the penetration.... you still have to hit an animal hard enough to kill it.... and the bigger it is, the harder you have to hit it....

    The momentum of a bullet at impact is the weight in lbs. times the velocity in fps.... That works out to the weight in grains divided by (7000 times 32.4) times the velocity in fps.... ie W (gr.) x V (fps) / 226,800.... The resulting number would be about 0.8 for a 200 gr. bullet travelling at 900 fps.... pretty hard to relate to the weight of an animal.... If instead of dividing by 226,800 we divide by 1000, the number is now 180.... hmmmmmmmmm.... would a 200 gr. bullet travelling at 900 fps (at impact) drop a 180 lb. animal?.... I would think that would be pretty close....

    Here are some other examples....

    8 gr. @ 450 fps = 3.6 lbs (low powered .177)
    8 gr. @ 900 fps = 7.2 lbs (high powered .177)
    16 gr. @ 900 fps = 14.4 lbs (high powered .22)
    30 gr. @ 900 fps = 27 lbs (high powered .25)
    40 gr. @ 1200 fps = 48 lbs (eg. .22 LR rimfire)
    78 gr. @ 900 fps= 70 lbs (low powered 9mm)
    158 gr. @ 900 fps = 142 lbs (high powered 9mm)
    230 gr. @ 900 fps = 207 lbs (low powered .45 cal)
    170 gr. @ 2000 = 340 lbs (eg. 30/30 Winchester)
    450 gr. @ 900 fps = 405 lbs (high powered .45 cal)
    220 gr. @ 2500 = 550 lbs (eg. 30-06 Springfield)
    570 gr. @ 2000 = 1140 lbs (eg. .500 Nitro Express)

    I think those numbers are fairly realistic, maybe a bit on the low side.... Want to make it even simpler?.... How about if you have an air rifle that shoots in the high subsonic (say 900-950 fps) you just use the bullet weight in grains for the animal weight in pounds....

    8 gr. pellet - 8 lbs.
    16 gr. pellet - 16 lbs.
    30 gr. pellet - 30 lbs.
    100 gr. bullet - 100 lbs.
    200 gr. bullet - 200 lbs.
    400 gr. bullet - 400 lbs.

    Since we have pretty much found out over the years that we don't want to push velocities over about 1000 fps (but we want to get close).... could you ask for a simpler guide to killing power?.... Incidently, at 950 fps, the energy is 2 FPE per gr. of pellet weight.... so we have values about twice the bare minimum FPE if you go by the above numbers....

    Bob
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    Hmm- now what are these 180lb "animals" Bob speaks of... I hope we're not part of something illicit being plotted here.
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    Interesting concept. I never thought od things like this. Mind you my .177 17 ft/lb Diana Model 48 has taken several 35-40+ lb coons.. The problem is there is no room for error. Most often they were up a tree and I could put on in just under the back of the skull into the spine. Drops them in 1 shot most the time. Head shots on foxes also work but I kept them under 20 yards same shot placment being optimal. Have used the same shot on skunks (they were caught in a trap and alot of them did nto even spray)

    Maybe I was pushing the limits. I don't have that confidence anymore... or maybe with age I worry more about the posibility of an inhumain kill... In fact now I would rather not kill anything... Paper punching is just fine with me.

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    I wish Squirrels were 18 lbs.
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    Now that I Think about this I am thinking this idea of bigger squirrels may not be good. Down range velocity would become an issue?
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    Nice work Bob

    I'm a big fan of "rules of thumb"
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    So...

    You're saying that a .50 BMG is too much for a squirrel... So that's what I've been doing wrong...

    Awesome work on the numbers Bob.

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    great i just hope all the unetihcal hunters out there read this

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    Non-PAL airguns are really marginal for hunting.... If you take a headshot, and stay within about 25 yards, you should be OK on the squirrels.... Don`t even consider the raccoons, however....

    Bob
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    That is an interesting and simple guide to keep in mind
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